He Was Running Drugs for the Mafia - Then Met Jesus in a Jail Cell

for people that are watching draw us into authentic Deliverance I'm going to jump all the way back to when I got arrested and in the back of a police car I threw my hands up and I said I'm I'm yours and that's when the Holy Spirit entered me I had one of those Paul Transitions and man we got all these people delivered but nobody's getting the truth and wonder why man this wasn't real you have the Deliverance you have the encounter but they're not really getting fed the word taking the word in and really self discipline himself to have the word like you're doing here cuz I get most of the guys get know scripture up and down better than me I said it's not how much it's how much you surrender to God you can have a little and surrender to God and be powerful you had a moment the Lord dealt with you he you started to do a work in your life you built up this level of success and then like okay give it back to me but when you find the Pearl he takes you to another place so you don't going to get until you sell it you're not going to find the Pearl because he wants to take you there and I had to go through that to get to the next understanding that he's watching me can he handle it again can he make it through this so we're out here in Maryland today and man we're on this like we'll have some Boll showing of the video the property but a place that you would never know is here and yet it is a place where I told Joe as just a few minutes ago as we were praying like I could just feel the presence of the Lord on this property the minute we walked into it and that's not that doesn't happen by accident right people pour into that and so Joe thanks so much for jumping on our show today and man how are you I'm I'm I'm real good to be with some brothers that God has touched I can I know God's got your heart and that is such a good feeling wow that brings tears to my eyes yeah it's a lonely Journey sometimes you guys know that it but God has been with us through it all and grown us and U I guess I'm going to jump all the way back to when I got arrested and in the back of a police car I threw my hands up and I said I'm I'm yours and that's when the Holy Spirit entered me I had one of those Paul Transitions and U got a 35 sentence Interstate transportation and I should have got a hundred years if anybody really knew what I was doing but I always say the foundation in surrendering to Christ is where it's all at because if we don't surrender we can't make that next move of being born in the spirit amen and I got born in the spirit right in the back of that police card and not know I didn't know Jesus I knew God what you mean in the back of a police car yeah aome that's incredible but before I did that I was had a the recording studio had a was there was a cult and the a guy just finished three albums with Warner Brothers they blackballed him he had Six Wives 21 kids and unbelievable he was Satan's child Satan he would believed he was the god of dead the dead really and I was I opened this recording Studio because I was trying to quit dealing and I said how am I going to support my lifestyle if I and I had such a drug hair cocaine habit and also in the Bolivian Mafia Family cartel I was going to Bolivia had a whole group of people but so we can't so just I'm trying to set it up for you we can't go right past that right Cel you can't say that like want to have to go a little deeper so I knew the Cocaine Cowboys I was in a had connections with a Cuban Mafia in in the keys also in New York some heroin people so I realized if I let me get to the real story my grandfather was a bootlegger in DC he was one of the wealthiest man in Washington he he died when he was 33 and he left Millions to my family and he had three daughters and he was Joseph Maher I was the first boy out of the three daughters and they named me after my grandfather so I had this U I call it generational curse on me that I didn't know until this until I got out of it what that did and what that gold of never I wanted to outdo my grandfather and he was like his father was a chief of police and Washington so they had it set up so with all that said with the resentments I got sexually abused when I was young and that resentment that Satan bound me I guess I was about six or seven years old and I'm saying this because there's a reason of the generational curse and being bound to the fear and resentment and not feeling and not knowing how to read and write until I was 45 so you're a little kid growing up and you don't fit in anywhere yeah and but I had this desire so I had that gift God gave me a gift before time that's how he does it come and Satan knew how to manipulate it and use it for his kingdom and he grabed all those things that all that hurt and pain made me strive and never G I'm never going to get stop I had no fear of anything going on because I had a gold and so I want you have to earn your dues on the street you don't just get move without learning how to move and know how not to get shot and how to get robbed and my word I still went by my word I was a good at what I did if I told you I was going to give you this it was you got what you so all that said I got to the point where with the recording studio and I was going to Bolivia I was they found out I paid my bills in the states and the boss from Bolivia came to meet me because who's this guy that's paying his bills that's how I got moved around the mafia so I was going to Bolivia had a family this is right in the cartel they treated me like they were catholic they worshiped G the god of Mary and but it was a real family they love me and I was traveled with them in Bolivia and I had one of my guys that was from the 82nd Airborne that movie American Tom Han played Barry private he there's a cocaine guy the ca CIA set this guy up and oh yeah that guy that was buried he was a guy that became my partner and was living in Miami and that's how I got things rolling wow so that I'm giving you a little insight I'm not going to stay too long on this part but I wanted you to know how God use uses our gifts for his Satan's going to use your gifts or God's going to use them for his Kingdom once you surrender and that's how the world is all these gifts people have they all come from God but they're just in the dark and I knew even though I couldn't read and write I still had a gift of like an Unstoppable desire that I wasn't going to quit no matter what and now I'm not doing this for God's kingdom but so at the point where I had the guy that was doing the recording we getting ready to do an album going to Warner Brothers he had multiple wives and he was convincing me I could all Satan's attractions is all fleshly that and it was I had the best connection thinking I was going to get many wives had the best connection on the planet had the best cocaine I was set up but one of the things that happened when I was in we went on a trip in South America in Peru with my boss and my girlfriend and my partner and I got into this stopped at this restaurant and it was Frank Sinatra had a song going I did it my way and here I heard that and all of a sudden this darkness and emptiness fell on me like man this is something's wrong I've got here and there's nothing and that's when I started trying to figure out how I was going to get out and that's when I started going to the recording studio trying to find another thing that was flesh because of my habit that I thought that would do it and that wouldn't do it so before I went back to that one trip first time I talked to God I said God if you stop me I'll turn my life over to you wow I said I can't stop myself sure and that's when I got coming back from Miami I went down there because I had everybody else do picking stuff up and I went down there and on the way back it stopped me in Woodbine Georgia the back of the car said I'm Yours wow and when t I'm yours because I know what Darkness was and there's nothing there it's the emptiest part of the world we're still fighting getting free from him even in the churches right now and he it's all a deception what is the best thing in the world is walking with there's nothing more valuable in walking with Christ like you guys know what can you get that you can't go get a job and get that it's got to come from God I don't want to assume like the movies right when it comes to like how the stuff works but like so being the mafia what not your connections you had a moment family are you I had my own family okay so I was the guy that said everything I worked my way up to them they were going to feed me whatever I wanted to create my family and I have people take stuff down to the white I had probably about five or six guys but I stayed in the background I was pretty that was the next day there so many people after me the DEA the FBI the CIA all of them were I didn't know if I was they were letting do this I didn't know if it was I was supposed to be him my boss was friends with him I don't know if they were using me to set him up you never know what's going on the police were involved in some of this something that all things are POS it was to the Limit God let me exp you what is the most what it is to be on the other side you talked about you made a statement earlier about the generational Curse coming from Bootlegger and then but you used a very unique phrase I had a gift yes God put that gift in me from the beginning yeah that's what's so that's what blew my mind how could I do this how could I move around all these people and not die how the car accidents the guns after me the how because that's God had a purpose for me that he was going to make sure I fulfilled it but the sometimes in that process like that perception right when we're running from the Lord we're not using our gifts for his kingdom like we' got to push everything like we got to everything for my past life but if I'm listening to your story like you had Transportation skills you Administration leadership like I'm seeing all these gifts that even though they weren't being used for the kingdom of God they were being used they were all D I had four BU I had Mystic gold he was bringing me gold back from bags I had a btic gold I had a horizon floors I had a carpet company so people wouldn't know what I was doing M well doing it so people wouldn't be attracted to what I was doing I had to have some and then it was something else I was and then of course the recording studio and then the family cartel I was in so all those things took some business sense that gifting from God but if that generational curse and maybe might have something to add on this too but like experience what God can I guess going breaking that right and starting to see the Lord redeem that cuz I don't think sometimes we realize how much is inde pass down whether we realize it in the moment or not until we get did like all up until that time that your father was a bootlegger oh I knew I grew up being coached in how special he was it was the diamonds all my family they were wealthy and all they worshiped him and how special he was to them and you the money and all the drinking and the party and all the worldly things they had it all and that's all I knew I was going after I was going to top that I wanted to be better than him so you were being trained in the business yeah but all the hurt and pain Satan used that keep me from peace I found peace in doing worldly things and that's not where peace is but you believe a lie you get captured and that's what that's why you in the Bible it says that they're blind they're captured they can't see they're working for Satan and they're building his kingdom instead of God's and the world is that's why it's so hard financially for us guys in the Kingdom because the money isn't our gold and it's hard to get the team help us move and do the thing God wants us to and I'm I'm praying that he helps us financially cuz we're all under stress but I think he's going to release some things and really get this motor running down the road so he said something else that I think we should head on too because I think this is what and you just tied it in there for me so this is my belief anyway that Satan always finds childhood trauma y to attach demonic spirits on and to fill an appetite because no matter how many people I've talked to or dealt with one of the guys that helped me imprison the counselor he actually was a sex therapist for a long time for pedophiles and all kinds of that what in prison it's like no you don't talk to them people so I had a hard time understanding him in that and he really helped me because he was sharing how most of us as drug addicts when I was little I never said I want to be like my parents and be a drug addict yeah I didn't want to be like that exactly but we wound up being like that and the reality is most people that are sex offenders now were molested yes what so it's that same ties to drug addiction I never put it like that until he shared it with me and so what I'm hearing is like this gift that God give you this is also what I believe when Satan attacks as a young one in a vulnerable child state that doesn't know how to react to that and then it's all taboo and pushed down and nobody wants to talk to it we hide that sexual sin and that just gives Darkness a chance to latch on and so from an early age I believe his goal in that trauma is to pervert the gifts to get you to seek the things you s and you got fulfillment out of that because you couldn't find any other way it covered up where my feelings were it filled the hole that nobody could fix except Jesus yeah and I'm I started this because I'm going to get to the point where he released me from the spiritual bondage I was 10 years clean yeah and but I had to he had to get my Foundation set before he could release me for his kingdom but I was still in bondage and I don't want to jump that but I want you to that was so important and I see the guys that we're not even aware of our spiritual bondage that we're walking in and we think we're okay especially the guys with the phone and social media they're so attracted to the world they're never going to feel the freedom and be able the Holy Spirit to come in and fill that so we got to make room for him right it says in Ephesians our Holy Temple and if we keep it full with stuff that if you're giving him room he can't come in there we haven't surrendered and that's why it's so love your God with all your heart all your soul all your mind with all your strength that transforms our whole way of living and understanding and we got to get there if we want all that God has for us we got to get there yeah and that's the place that these guys can Thrive like you and Pastor here are thriving because God has released us from the bondage right and that's what I think that's what I thought I know people are going to be listening to this that's why I thought necessary to bring that up because I think there's a you said it I think there's a whole lot of Christians that have had the encounter and they're saved y but there's that one thing that they talk about there's that one thing childhood molestation or abuse or whatever that they lock down in there and because they won't release that bondage even though they're saved setting in church they're still not free Y and the mistake made there they because that they associate it with the gift yes so it's it seems to be like I've seen guys throughout the years come through phenomenal chefs Cooks construction guys y but what I hear I can't go back to that field yeah because there's something there it pulls me down every time it's not the field and so they end up blowing that gift God's G because it's look I'm not I'm no Carpenter right I can't I can do all the wiring and stuff but the Woodworking and all that like but yet there's that bondage and so you started to go there and now I'm really you got me curious with how did that Journey work I'm going to that's what I want to show so when I got out of jail had one relapse and then I finally had G first time I understood Jesus was with me and I said you'll never get me again and that was only two months out of jail I would only knew drugs for the 10 years constant every day fif the crown roll a day your bag of pot and qu oce of coke and that was my lifestyle and then getting out of jail My Flesh was still I didn't have it under control yet but that one time I said never again and that's when God showed me how to started to walk with Jesus I didn't know Jesus until that point until I really called on him and then that was the beautiful became best friends with the sheriff they went to the judge and asked the judge for I got out in 18 months wow and I W I spent 90% of my time was with the sheriff every day I was driving him I was spending time I went and did testimonies with him I became his right-hand man in jail it was like something Happ and then we're still best friends that's that's what the really has really been an amazing but so my first wife got married I knew I wanted to please God so I said I'm not going to be sleeping we're going to get married and do this God's way from my life is going to be God's way from now on and that's where it started and she accepted the Lord but she still had I said I just say she died of unforgiveness by the killed her so she started drinking ended up with oxy conon and here I am getting out of jail we opened a business I had a flooring business in Maryland NDC God just opened the door I started I first started at $8 an hour happy as I could be yeah I was used to Briefcase full of money but $8 I was praise the Lord I was excited about it this $8 an hour and then A guy offered me a business wi and him and opened up a little flooring business and they I couldn't come to an agreement on how much he would own and I would own so I said well I'm just going to open up my own business it's so crazy to hear that briefcase is the money like I was a terrible drug dealer I was just no good at it like and so like you hear somebody talking about that and like anyways sorry I dig Grand it's okay because I'd bury him and two weeks later I'd get it out cuz i' use up my stash I'd be out there buying for you never get rich It's Just an Illusion it is so sorry that's okay so my first wife had this got abused when she was young she loved the Lord but she blamed her parent it was just couldn't forgive and that's why it's so important for us to understand God forgave us he forgave me for me and so I have to have forgiveness for no matter what anybody does I can't judge you like that how can I judge you when God forg me for who I was am so she couldn't get that and it got to the point where she ended up overdosing multiple times with oxyon and doctors I went to the doctors they said well you don't have the right to talk to us I couldn't even get the doctor's attention they said she's going to die if you don't quit giving her and they said well this a privacy act how crazy is that when your own love one is dying and they won't talk to you because they have the right to get high and kill themselves that's what they're saying but anyway what God taught me in that time was the most valuable those 18 years I spent with my first wife before she passed was showed me who I was or used to be and I had to live with somebody that had addiction and I had to learn how to love them every day and the Ephesians 10:6 my war is not with flesh and blood and that's how I can do what I do here because I'm not battling these guys I'm battling the guy that they're listening to and once they get free from that they're the gift that God made but until they can they're going to be their mind is going to be listening to the wrong side and that's why I can do this and it this is not a burden to me because I know who I'm fighting I'm not fighting them amen I'm fighting this the demons and in the spiritual principalities so that helped me really understand so when that happened I we finally made it into a celebrate recovery and the first time I went to celebrate recovery I was afraid to go in the door I sat in the parking lot the whole time and then drove off but I got in there next week because I saw Christian counselor Mary Kay I'm still friends with her she says God's going to do Miracles so I said okay I'm going to check this out so I opened out of jail had businesses went to church felt like an alien afraid to talk in church I did some the soundboard because I had the studio but there was nobody in church that I could talk to that anybody I love you guys with man you don't know where I've been so I learned I felt like an alien but then celebrate recovery opened a new Avenue so the first time I went in to celebrate recovery I got on my floor because I didn't know how to help my wife I said God what could you do with me so I could learn how to help my wife and man that prayer opened the door and that two weeks later I was in a men's group safe place to share I'll just say we need that safe place to share because it's got to come out and I shared about being dyslexic sexually abused all the things that Satan had me for since I was almost six or seven years old I first time I told anybody and that I felt I started you said you told me about the bricks came off I floated out of that room and that's when the Holy Spirit anointed me with my gifting of what he wanted me to do it wasn't a week two weeks later I was in the White House in the in the capital with Chuck holson I was he told me to go back down to DC where I was born and find a jail Ministry I called up a black friend of a girl from my that I knew she was in DC and she had been singing in advance I said tell me the roughest place in DC I want to go down there and meet the pastor and she gave me a lady Reverend talber I went down to this Mill just called her up can I come down and talk to you didn't know anything bending Avenue worst place in DC the bars on the church and they had to knock on the door took 10 minutes before somebody come open the door and let me in and man it was like I found a home I had when I was little we had a maid and her name was Rose Lee and that was my comfort when I was three and four years old and that's the same way even in sports I was a sports guy the black community has been my heart my comfort zone my safety and I found them and she saw God working on me and put me in front of Chuck hson the mayor she would tell me to go speak I was like I don't want to going to speak what you're talking about gave me confidence in what God was doing and that was my first mentor and that was really an open my eyes but also gave me the vision for Crossroads he gave me a list go back to Georgia I went back to Georgia went started a jail Ministry where I got arrested there was 12 churches down there we all it was like a Revival happened in town the sheriff got $400,000 from the confiscated drugs he went to Janet Reno and got permission to give it to me we sent him to California this was this is my first experience in walking in my gifting I started a jail Ministry in Boyds I was doing I was on I was still I got the fire W and I got that was almost 25 years I still got that same fire right now but I had to get released from I was in bondage from his demons they tormented me from age six till I was almost 43 years old then I started to learn how to read after that so you were saved when you had that encounter and things were like can you talk about that a little bit cuz you've been following Jesus right 10 years and he had been giving me let me walk as a gifting the business I started businesses I actually did I was doing a $6 million job I didn't come back have any money when I got out I was 23,000 in debt I paid back that it was just like God just opened the door again but I was walk walking as a righteous and I loved him with all my heart yeah but I didn't know my I didn't know how he was going to release me from my gifting but he gave me the vision because I saw guys in jail I said man these guys everybody's telling them about they want to help them but what where do they go when they get out yeah it's a they go back to their own neighborhood how you going to help somebody do that so and God gave me the vision of Crossroads and then my first wife passed of and died on a cruise and I prayed over her and put my hands on her and I know if God wanted her alive she'd be alive but it was time for her to take off and that opened the door for me to follow this vision and Maria was going we were both celebrate recovery leaders I was eight years in and she was about six years seven maybe seven years and I had the challenge of am I going to f follow go after flesh or am I going to is this going to be like Samson he his flesh took him out of a beautiful Ministry and I had to make sure cuz I had a mill two $3 million homes I had two businesses I was sitting pretty good and pretty successful as a Christian and was I going to follow this then he tells me to sell everything and get rid of all the Mercedes now I drive a somebody vol donated a car I drive a donated car and I had everything amen so there's nothing out there that interest me except what the Lord is doing here there's no car nothing come on let me ask on that part cuz I know I'm jumping around no it's all right this is good so at the end of that end of your road right you talk about like we talk about Rock Bottom in the recovery world all the time right and it's it's hard as it is to have a transformation and realize we need change when we're at the bottom that sudden stop makes us realize it right and so but like a lot of times I don't know that we talk a lot about you had a moment the Lord dealt with you he you started to do a work in your life you built up this level of success Y and then like okay give it back to me y yep what was what was that like that transition from when he hit me that wasn't that was the next day after I shared that was the next day after I floated out of there I was such in bondage for all those years this person it like this world just changed over here it's like this whole reality of knowing god and taking my gifting because I was pretty confident that there's all things are possible so he just released me to do something that all things are possible what is reality what is the most important thing for me to do use my gifting to help others like he show me what freedom is man how can I hold this back the whole world's dying to understand what freedom is the best place we can deal with is the guys on drugs because they're at the bottom I love guys at the bottom so do you think that journey and the secular world for a season as a was necessary definitely I had to build my Foundation because once he opened the door and showed this other side if I wasn't had my Foundation it would have crush me he said sell everything come on and then I found a w this is a successful lady she was working for the county and I this is so funny so I asked her for a date and she says no I'm not going out with you and she says okay I'll meet you for coffee and so when I was in jail now I'll tell you I started fasting and praying while I was in jail because I couldn't read I said well how can I honor God I started and I started asking him for an early release so he gave me that early release and I kept that lifestyle every week and I he released me to talk about it because I didn't tell anybody for a long time but the fasting helped me renew my mind in a new reality that is spiritual instead of physical and I've been doing that every week since jail I said man this guy God listened to me and got me out of jail come on why would I stop that for yeah I can't stop that so I never left it's been a journey it's been 40 years and I've been fasting and praying every week since sometimes I did a couple 40-day fast and mostly 10 20 but at least two days a week now that's my schedule and instead of strict fasting like I used to I have a cup of soup so I don't want to hurt myself I want to take care of my body I'm a little older I'm not as young as I used to be but that is a major part of renewing my mind I had to I know how bad how horrible and evil My Flesh is okay if I don't keep that under grips yeah it's going to try to run me instead of me running it and in the Bible it says Minds so my old my new mind has to my new mind has got power over my old mind yeah and that's when there's no add can't get me yeah he can't get me in my flesh I won't allow it so that reality of doing that when I was out that's 10 years of constantly fasting and still trying to take care of my wife and learning I started looking at the Bible and learning a little bit I didn't read much then but I he still showed me a lot but the Ephesians was huge I get up every morning and cuz it was so Dreadful to be around somebody using and here I got a business she's my she runs the office and she can't get up taking her to the site board I found 10 gallons of the Kila in the house it was constant picking her up off the floor running her to the hospital he taught me what it is to be in bondage he let me free but when I had that experience it was a it was so drastic all the way over on the other side and Maria this is a I don't mean to jump around had that cup of coffee and I was fasting that day I said and at that time I said man I don't know what I'm going to talk about I don't feel like talking I cuz sometimes when we fast it's like we're real dry you don't know what's going to happen and I got into this tit little house and coffee and it just poured out of me everything I said she's never going to talk to me again she and she said I'm in wow she was bored with church she was bored with just being a Christian out here amen it's a miserable life yeah so when did The Vision like for this was it that happened at that right after that time I shared in that room oh yeah in the room with the guys it was a safe place to share and that was in the celebrate recovery and I incorporate that try to do everything God taught me I try to incorporate for the guys in a year mine took me 25 years but try to pull that down but he was building my foundation and without that Foundation this way of man I'm going to sell everything I'm G to give my everything I got and I talked to pastors I was with Pastor Harry jacksson uhh for about four years preparing me to make this he said you sure you he says a lot of people fail when they do this yeah but I didn't know what fail me I wasn't going I never knew it one thing about good about me not learning how to read and write never knew I never learned I couldn't do something okay so I was ready for God's kingdom and that's what this has been well I think too what you said was even though those 10 years that Justin said of still being a Christian but having that bondage God knew you couldn't do this while you still had the bondage yes what yes exactly and when that broke what you said was like I noticed a whole another side of the Kingdom when you it's one thing to be in church and go through this but when you're still carrying that you really can't see him Corinthians it talks about beholding his glory with an unveiled face there's still veils on that you really can't see him but when that bondage got taken off and you got set free then he could say hey now I know you'll do it hey sell everything so Deliverance is huge and I'm I'm trying to understand what God wants to do but if we could get people to really understand and get delivered they could experience yeah what God could do with them and we're so much in bondage look at the porn in the churches 80% of the guys in the church probably more yeah no power in the church we can't have power until we get out of bondage so that's that's huge we're so how do you how would you describe there a lot of stuff on the internet today around Deliverance right it's a top it in theur YouTube I know and so but there's a lot of it man it's where people are all over the map on it and a lot of times there are these Deliverance services and there's a guy like Enoch over my shoulder over somebody shoulder Enoch's our camera guy by the way shout out to Enoch he's been helping us turn around him but there's a guy like Enoch got the camera over the shoulder of the guy praying for people it's almost become a spectacle if you will a show and so we' even had a movie where it happened to movie theaters and yeah and like buckets and people bomb like all this there's just this stuff all over the place so I guess for people that are watching draw us into authentic Deliverance like explain so what I've done I've stay I've watched I watched a lot of I've been in the black community a lot seen people fall out seen a lot of stuff I've seen a lot of stuff and I when Lakewood Revival happened in Florida there was a Revival Life One Lakeland and I got somebody prophesied over me and I did get a m message from him and I keep it in my you so when there's a spiritual movement it can spread beyond our understanding am and this is one thing God told me in that he says don't be anxious about anything I've I've got you covered I have called you to feed many so when I got this place I had a commercial kitchen I said oh man we're going to feed many but I'm realizing the feeding many is the spiritual yes and I just woke up to that just this year and what God is really helping us like you guys coming over when we're walking in the truth it can't be stopped and everybody needs it how can we reach the people in need to get free and experience what you guys are experiencing God will cover sometimes it's it's a real struggle with the money with a lot of us that are really sold into Jesus yeah amen so hopefully God does something to change that around if we he probably does it to protect us because if we had the money then we'd get off track yeah so that's the key is how can we stay on track with Jesus and still have money and I think there's going to be a way to do that I don't know how but God is moving us he wants to fund this like we're doing yeah and I believe he's even getting ready to let this I think we the tip of the iceberg tell you the truth but I don't know you guys I'm I'm learning so much from you guys you guys are more in the world I backed off the world and not knowing how to share what God is doing and you guys are doing it right now you're pulling stuff out of pulling it back in there yeah but there's there's an Awakening going to have I don't know if he's coming back or there's a going to be a Revival but a Revival that and laughs isn't worth no just a good service that's what I'm talking about I don't want to be part of I want to be part of the real deal yeah I want to see where change happens in a whole Community reviv it shouldn't just be a couple good nights and we forget about the whole area should change from real Revival hits there and that's a powerful and we've seen that over the years you can study the great revivalists in Canada and everywhere in Brownsville like it didn't just happen a couple nights but it affected the whole community and made a mark on the world and that I believe is real Revival and I think I believe it I've been feeling it and seeing it everywhere we go like there is a hunger and I think that's when revivals always came when people are desperate and hungry for him forget everything else yeah now getting back to the Deliverance yes that is what I'm trying to figure out as we're speaking how to how do I get into a church and without making in a spectacle how I do this for the real deal to help them get set free and walk in their anointing and gifting first thing it starts with the foundational pieces you and people got to realize when you get moving with God it might take five or 10 years because we got to be on the potter's wheel he's doing nothing but making his diamonds and everybody wants the anointing they want to walk next week and open the church or recovery set come on but if they're willing to be all in and trust them and know that this is the way then that time that he takes to build them they can handle it and then they won't fall that's the whole thing doing the thing so we don't fall yeah well I'm convinced of a lot with Deliverance so I just prayed with the guy the other day for deliverance who's been a Christian almost all of his life he's not married and he he's not even really dealing with porn yet it's just the looking so we're talking about that and so there's a difference when somebody comes in off the street that's never had God and doesn't does know anything or a person that knows the word so but I really believe that a lot of Deliverance really they don't need this powerful prayer of Deliverance they really need to know the truth and be able to really make that truth and believe it in their own heart they deliver themselves that's what I say that's what I try to do here the guys can be equipped to get rid of their demons but they need to have the door open to see that they have them because most of them don't realize that they're really in bondage the Bible says when an evil spirit comes out it roams around and then it'll come back and check and if it's clean and swept but it's not full of the word then it comes back time seven and so that's the danger of all the message deliverances got all these people delivered but nobody's getting the truth could be delivered for about an hour or two yeah and wonder why man this wasn't real you have the Deliverance you have the encounter but they're not really getting fed the word taking the word in and really self-discipline himself to have the word like you're doing here got to keep them in the word cuz I've been I got delivered 14 years ago you got delivered but I guarantee we both say this what's kept to me free is the word of God right that's what's kept me free for 14 years it's just like when people are have everybody come in and they raise their hands and they submit surrender to the Lord but then they're that's what the discipleship is so important because it's it's it teaches them how to walk in it instead of just hearing it yeah cuz I get most of the guys get but scripture up and down better than me I said it's not how much it's how much you surrender to God yeah you can have a little and surrender to God and be powerful yes a lot is great to understand God but if you don't surrender it's just a bunch of words that's why pastors get so they have a gift but not the anointing now when you get freed you get the anointing and then you move in the power yeah so that's the hard part god ain't just giv it away you got to earn this baby yeah that's what there's no one Pastor that everybody's going to be cuz it's a growth each guy everybody's got to grow with God so how do we discern that in leaders like if I'm maybe let me ask that a different way when your guys are leaving M and getting ready to go back into wherever wherever they land right when it comes to looking for a church or looking for leaders that they're going to be able to come up underneath of you said you can have a gift but no anointing no power right yeah so how are you encouraging your guys to discern that in people and so as we're moving I'm trying to get a Hope homes I'm trying to get a place it's taking 8 to 10 years just to be able to move and have Church's trust and see like me coming into the community who am I just to get see that I'm real it's just like when you're in jail and coming out and say it's going to take two years before anybody trusts you in your family oh yeah sure and me coming in here even my neighbor I didn't want to tell him I got a book Against All Odds I got a book I've done I'm working on another book but I didn't bring that book out until after they knew me because I didn't want to scare them cuz everybody's been so deceived in the world and there's so many pastors that fall who's real anymore all the big guys are falling what is that about are they not fasting and praying and surrendering to God every day or are they just talking about it right so we got to be so careful on what we're doing I can't if i deceive these guys they're going to say oh what's what's this Christian thing about don't walk out of here and never walk with God so I got to be an example of what I say and give them hope that it's real cuz most of them when they come here is God really real what is it about but my story I said man I couldn't read and write and God gave me this place and I'm living with my wife and she I've never argued with my wife we haven't had an argument we've been married 14 years how's that happened and we've been through this that's the that's anointing right there when I left my other business to do this I thought the staff was going to do the right thing and was a year after I bought this IRS called me I had a $500,000 IRS bill didn't know I had and I just had spent all my money and at the same time Maria was trying we were trying to have kids she had been through seven miscarriages wow and I was running this place and trying to say God what are you trying to teach me what are you doing but he took all my money he said trust me and I it drove me almost a year before I finally surrender said Okay God you're going to take care of this yeah and he got me out of it I It was such an amazing thing he's still going to we're still going to be tested because he's building us while we're testing and James says count it all joy that's a hard baby to do it you're a kid but that's what he's doing that's what he's building and now I've got pay got through that and get got people started coming and finances started helping like I said this is the first year we haven't been in debt or worried about paying the bills while we're getting ready to do our fundraiser so it's taking time and trust in God never lets us down but he's still going to see who we are and I think that's he's bu that's why I think he's building something there's like this new generation or I want I don't know if it's generation of like you guys he's he's molding you guys and what is he molding us for I think there's something going on and I think he's doing the same thing to me like you guys coming up here I don't know how this is all connecting but he's up to something he's not was God was it's it's you talked about that me authenticity right and I forgot the privilege of like working in the church world and Recovery World pastoring typical Sunday not typical just yeah normal Sunday church and then being in recovery world and there's that part especially in homes like this like you live here yeah there's there's not a lot of hiding you no hiding and yet you talked about the struggle of like man we don't know like we go to church on Sunday and we don't we know what we hear Y and I think all of us would hope that our Holy Spirit discernment meter is good but man we don't always get it like there are times I see it and I'm like oh I was shocked I did not see that coming and so and there that's just the reality of it but that authenticity and I think man I can't speak for the entire generation but I think that's something that people are just craving like I got into this our last conversation we interviewed a guy down in Cumberland and I said man The Narrative is these mega church guys that are falling and the world is just I think the world is just tired of hearing about that yeah and so maybe it maybe Church in the next 20 30 years does need to look a lot more like 10 guys in a house on a farm in the middle of nowhere in Maryland disciples being raised up versus 250 in a room all staring One Direction yeah and entertained by what's going on in the stage but doing just a fraction of what's happening in this place with eight people and I think that's the part that in inspires a lot when I come to places like this and you see God says make disciples right at the end of the book I was writing I said well what if I could get what they say there's 350,000 churches in Maryland or something I think that's I said what if every Pastor took his last year's salary and got a place and made disciples yeah we could move the world oh my goodness that's that's what we're missing at this point even if every Church found one person and discipled one that's 350,000 get them to live in your house with that's what I'm saying they just come on into the house the bigger picture is I Think Jesus is going to come back and the world is going to be so disoriented the disciples are the ones that are going to help everybody get stable I think that's his plan I think but that's what I'm feeling there's there's there's a spiritual famine in this world in this country and we've been blessed to be a light to the world but we're losing that light the whole world looks at but it started with Christ but it it's Disappearing and and I think he's re getting our feet set again and to help people and I like I said I'd rather have 20 guys drug out of jail drug because those guys know what the bottom is and when they find it man they're powerful like Casey got the other guys I got me I got another guy that tattooed top and bottom man God sent him here been here five months the first week he was being ministered to one other guys he fell out in the spirit he's falling in love with Jesus he's he's going to be powerful these guys are going to be powerful our guy your guys that's who's going to lead the world I if and it always it always blows my mind to hear people that are Sav from Rock Bottom because it would have been very easy for you to misinterpret God's voice cuz I'm serving you and this is your blessing to me God yeah rather than something he was calling you surrender but you see why he knew my gift and he needed me to and I call it finding the Pearl come on but when you find the Pearl he takes you to another place yeah so you don't going to get until you sell it all you're not going to find the Pearl because he wants to take you there that's good and I had to go through that to get to the next understanding that he's watching me can he handle it again can he make it through this God is watching us like there's a reason I don't know if it's in for our heaven but I believe he's getting ready to help us move better here as the ones that love him and walk in love so it's so good